A Podcast Where Real Chronic Pain Sufferers Meet Science-Backed Solutions 💫

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Meet the Co-Hosts

Alan Gordon, LCSW

Alan Gordon LCSW

Alan is the Founder & Director of the Pain Psychology Center in Los Angeles. He is a founding member of Curable's Scientific Advisory Board, an adjunct assistant professor at USC, and just completed a groundbreaking neuroimaging study on the treatment of chronic pain.

Alon Ziv

Alon has a degree in neuroscience and was awarded the Certificate of Distinction in Teaching in Biology from UCLA. He is the author of "Breeding Between the Lines" and has appeared on BBC London News, NPR and BBC Radio.

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Can Changing My Thoughts Improve My Pain?

Many chronic pain sufferers struggle with negative thoughts like self-criticism, pressure, and fear. Not surprisingly, this type of thinking makes our pain worse. In this episode, Alan and Alon explore where these thought patterns come from and how you can change them. Alan talks to Lindsey, a chronic pain sufferer who constantly beats herself up and puts pressure on herself. Alan gives her the key ingredient to change these thought patterns and reduce her symptoms.

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How Do I Get to the Root of My Pain?

Living with chronic pain means living with chronic worry. But it's actually this fear, frustration, and despair around the pain that keeps your pain signals activated. Even once you know how destructive these thoughts are, it’s so hard to keep your mind from going there. Alan talks to Chris and teaches him a new technique to calm these thoughts, cutting off the fuel source for his pain. Then Alan and Alon describe how you can use this technique to overcome your own pain.

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How Can I Use Positive Sensations to Heal My Pain?

Alan and Alon introduce the concept of leaning into positive sensations, a technique that rewires your brain and deactivates pain. Alan talks to Emily, a back pain sufferer with a lot of fear around her symptoms. By embracing this technique, Emily does something she thought was impossible: she sits without pain. Then Alan and Alon demonstrate how to use this technique for your own pain.

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What Is Somatic Tracking, and How Can It Help My Pain?

Alan and Alon introduce somatic tracking, the most effective technique they’ve found for overcoming chronic pain. Somatic tracking teaches your brain to reinterpret signals from your body through a lens of safety, thus deactivating the pain. Alan talks to three patients and guides each of them through somatic tracking exercises, helping them to neutralize their fear and alleviate their symptoms.

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How Can I Tell If My Brain Is Causing My Pain?

Most chronic pain is caused by pain circuits in the brain that get stuck. But this can be hard to accept because pain feels like it's coming from our bodies. Alan and Alon discuss how to determine if your pain is caused by your brain, and explain why it's so important to embrace this belief. Alan talks to Greg who overcame his symptoms by changing his mindset about the source of the pain. And he helps Denise determine whether her pain is caused by her brain.

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What’s the key to breaking the pain cycle?

Alan and Alon discuss the science behind the “pain-fear cycle" and speak with real chronic pain sufferers to examine how it plays out in the real world. Amber, who suffers from chronic neck pain, calls in to share her fears and worries about how her pain dominates her life. Meanwhile, Emily struggles to let go of the idea that her pain is purely physical in nature. Alan and Alon guide their guests to let go of these fears to break the cycle of chronic pain.

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How Do I Manage Chronic Pain In the Wake of Coronavirus?

Chronic pain sufferers share their struggles with navigating Coronavirus anxiety. Kristin grapples with feelings of uncertainty, while Bethany has a difficult time cultivating a sense of safety during the global pandemic of COVID-19. Co-hosts Alan Gordon, LCSW and Alon Ziv help Kristin and Bethany calm their fears, and discuss how these anxieties connect back to the latest research on pain.

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